Kinetic

created : 1 year ago| | live deployment: 8

created : 1 year ago | live deployment: 8

Kinetic

by: Dravyaniti Consulting

Volatility IVSkew VerticalSpreads Momentum TrendFollowing ShortVol Directional Bullish Bearish Intraday

57 ratings

Strategy description

Keep Calm.
Invest in Kinetic.

(Notes: Due to surge in margin requirements after new peak margin norms and increasing margins for Index Options Trading, the recommended minimum capital is 5 lacs.)

FAQ Summary:

Mix of multiple strategies

Intraday + Positional

100% Mechanical

Options Writing + Options Buying

Variable Position Sizing

Kinetic is built on Weekly Index Options and trades on Bank Nifty weeklies at the moment. The same strategy which we offer to large institutions and proprietary desks are now available for individuals.

Kinetic's Reward to Risk Ratio is greater than 3:1. The system has a 12 month live track record since June 2020, with reward : risk ratio of 5:1. Kinetic was launched on Tradetron in July 2020.

The strategy is a mixture of multiple strategies which are complementary to each other. This increases our chances of success.

Some of the unique features of the system are:

a) In-built Regime switch between Non-Trending and Trending Market. Adapts to current market conditions.

b) Dynamic (Volatility - based) Position Sizing

c) Always hedged positions allow for lesser volatility of returns and lower draw-downs. Intraday positions are also hedged. .

d) Consistent Performer - 90% Months are positive (i.e. 43 out of 48 months in Back-testing period)

e) When Non-Trending Mode is on, 4-legged spread positions will be created. When Trending Mode is on, we will be long call or long put.

f) Apart from generating absolute returns, may be used to hedge existing MF or Equity Investments

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Exchanges

NFO

Capital Required

₹ 400,000

Monthly Fee

Free + 18.00 %

Subscribers

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Sunil Sharma

Ramkrishna

gurjeev ANAND

Nihar

Nisarg Shah

Statistics

Shrinivas R Kashyap 5 days ago

Works well but no support no telegram group.

Prateek Chadha 3 months ago

Can you please share backtest report of 48 months/ 5 years you are talking about

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 months ago

thanks for your enquiry Prateek, please drop an email to support@dravyaniti.com requesting the same and team will revert to you

Prateek Chadha 2 months ago

I did mail 1 week back, but still have not recieved backtesting report. Mail sent from : prateek09103439cse@gmail.com If possible please send both new backtesting and old backtesting report.

Prasenjit Gupta 5 months ago

i have a question, can it be deployed any day? or some specific time frame is there...presently i deployed in paper trading, want to shift to online, kiindly guide

Akshit Pradhan 9 months ago

My earlier comments were by the Name of my Mother (Poonam Pradhan) as I was using her account earlier. Latest Update: Scaled up to 2X once I started earning Profit. My Last Invoice was for Rs. INR 30,918 (18.00% of 1,45,568). So deployed 1X in two more account. Recently a little draw-down but that is OK. Strategy is not trading from last week - May be due to some Rule/Logic. So Far I am satisfied with the performance.

Dravyaniti Consulting 9 months ago

hi Akshit thanks for your kind words and the encouragement. There have been multiple changes happening recently in technology infrastructure and we are upgrading. Currently, we are accounting for the option price range checks being removed by NSE as this can impact Algo performance adversely, if not dealt with, in our opinion. We believe KINETIC should start back as early as coming Monday i.e. August 30,

Algo Rockers 10 months ago

Do u have any WA/Telegram group to discuss?. I have some queries and want to clarity before deployment..

Dravyaniti Consulting 9 months ago

no we don't have a WA or telegram group Raja. we would be more than happy to resolve your queries / doubts, pls drop a message / call on 77100 12476, and will get back to you

Satya S 10 months ago

There is total mismatch between the results shown here and the actual trading returns. I am not talking about slippages and commissions which varies between brokers. This strategy is in drawdown since april 21 in live trading and it came out of drawdown only in july.21. But the statistics show that it was profitable in June and July except for the month of april 21.. Totally misleading..I am not sure how the returns or calculated here. Don't go by the statistics.

Dravyaniti Consulting 10 months ago

Satya, kindly share details : Broker, Start Date, Multiplier and Trade report and email us at enquiry@dravyaniti.com, we will look into what specifically has caused the mis-match

Satya S 9 months ago

After 4months of trading since april and Rs 40000 loss I stopped trading this strategy. It is over hyped useless strategy which is good on paper that doesn't work on live trading. If you are using zerodha never trade this strategy. Most of the time the far away strike trades fails due to OI limit error. More over there is a total mismatch between the trading result shown here and the actual results. Developer is hard to reach and you will not know what to do when someting goes wrong which happens frequenty. I sent them the details about the mismatch but the reply that i got was not encouraging which is to contact tradetron as sometrades are not initiated by their strategy. Hard to believe that i am getting trades which are not initiated by the strategy.

Anamika 11 months ago

Hello, Writing a long review after using this strategy for two months on paper, and a month on live. 1. This is a beautifully hedged strategy to run positional options selling, overcomes margin issues with hedged buy 2. Works awesome on normal weeks, should be avoided on event weeks ( like elections, fed meetings, reliance agm etc :-) ) 3. Makes awesome adjustments runtime to reduce losses 4. Lesser on slippages compared to other strategies ( But sometimes huge difference in paper profit vs real, I think its inevitable with tradetron ) Few things everyone has been saying but bothered me too, so repeating: 1. Telegram or support group for subscribers with live entry exit messages - Tradetron is very unstable at times thus this is much needed. (I am sometimes getting whatsapp messages of entry exit, sometimes not getting them. Monitoring it the whole day is tough) 2. Avoid event days/weeks completely if possible 3. High difference in paper and live profits at times, ( i think its inevitable with TT) 4. Please code one such strategy for nifty options / Futures as well?

Anamika 11 months ago

#5 For mis straddle orders that are taken on tuesday and wed, is it ok if we avoid the far otm buy on these two days? they kinda cut down profit . hedge is good for keeping overnight.

Anamika 10 months ago

Its really nice to see that kinetic finally resets the counter every week!. Thanks for this fix. this is helpful for tracking

Dravyaniti Consulting 10 months ago

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback Anamika. 1. Thank you for kind words, it always encourages us to hear #KINETIC love is growing 2. During events, typically the volatility of options shoots up. Since this is a risk-defined (always hedged) strategy, the reward:risk are in our favour typically during events. Also, after events, IV usually falls, allowing #KINETIC users to pocket the benefits arising due to theta decay. Also #KINETIC has a dynamic position sizing algorithm which reduces the quantity (hence the risk) as volatility spikes up, and vica-versa. So during back-tests and even live markets, we have survived with limited damages to our PnL. 3. Yes, we are always going in line with where the market is going, and not trying to predict or fight the market. In our years of trading experience, we find this works well for us. 4. Slippage between paper and real returns depends on a multitude of factors - Technology layer at multiple intermediaries, telecom provider's leased lines, etc. So this is a very complex network. Aim of all intermediaries in the ecosystem is provide a better service as we learn and adapt from glitches/bugs and make continuous investments to upgrade our infrastructures. Believe us, there is a lot that is behind the scenes and does not meet the eye- but it's our job to care of that and all players are putting in our best. It is difficult to single out anyone here so to say to "Take the blame", because it is a massive joint effort. We were considering launching the telegram channel but are considering some risks which we hadn't thought of before, so it's on a pause now. We do hope the issues have reduced over the last few weeks, as we are getting feedback from users that now things are stabler. 5. We intend to trade mostly risk-defined option strategies like spreads or long options (where loss cannot be more than premium), so 1 new strategy in banknifty is likely to be launched within July and the other one for nifty / bank nifty is probably due for sept launch. 6. As regards taking off the far otm wings, Never, never, never take off the hedges. You want to have a hedge exactly when it is least likely needed :) i.e. buying life insurance after death defeats the whole purpose of insurance 7. Yes, the counter reset is a big relief to us as well :) once again thanks for this invaluable and detailed feedback

Anamika 10 months ago

Thank you for the reply 1. If not telegram, order broadbasts and exit messages is a must have. Example: Today. when bnf spiked up, my mis orders got squared off but nrml orders did not. No error from Tradetron, no call, nothing in the logs. I checked and compared with the paper trade and saw I had 4 positional sells and one mis buy, whereas Paper had only 1 mis buy of 35400 CE I exited everything and thanked the almighty i was in front of my system, else would have wiped out badly due to a single side runup. It is possible that few people may have observed no profits/drawdowns due to such things on their account?? Please consider at least a broadcast group. Thank you

Intikhab Solkar 11 months ago

Hi, I found all strategies losing money on end of each week , may be because all strategies are weekly basis, can do changes in end of weeks days , so it will no fall in weekly expires, kept it stable trades in week ends. Thank you

Harshal Kukade 11 months ago

can you please share the excel of pnl of kinetic. i dont believe tradetron reports.

Harshal Kukade 11 months ago

Hi strategy creator.. i want to deploy the strategy, but i cant. without looking at past performance i cant enter. if you wish you can share backtest results.. will be greatful to you... thanks.

Dravyaniti Consulting 11 months ago

hi Harshal, kindly drop a message on 77100 12476 and we will try to help you with your query

Harshal Kukade 11 months ago

7times pinged.. no reply...

Harshal Kukade 11 months ago

i need backtesting data in excelsheet for kinetic..

Harshal Kukade 11 months ago

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AwC1Z2XaWg-EPnpYFW28xKwnskn4eR1GF9LYJfojThc/edit?usp=sharing nice strategies. needs more capital...

Dravyaniti Consulting 11 months ago

hi harshal, thanks again for your interest. due to excessive surge in enquiries there are delays in our response. we have reverted to you and hope to have you join club KINETIC :)

Ashish Patel 1 year ago

Follow up is needed when questions asked, also post the issue in Feb, there was a suggestion made to open a whatsapp/telegram group, that has not happened. The delay could also be communicated. I am seeing great responses from other teams at tradetron when they use the message option. The rating is purely due to lack of communication. The performance is no loss/no profit for me since Feb, but that is market driven.

Raunaq Bhatia 1 year ago

how to pay the profit share

Dravyaniti Consulting 11 months ago

the invoice will be raised through the tradetron app and you may get a request to approve

Pankaj Natani 1 year ago

how do i pay your profit share ?

Dravyaniti Consulting 11 months ago

the invoice will be raised through the tradetron app and you may get a request to approve

Mohammad Anwar 1 year ago

Hi team, Please let me know the maximum investment we can be deploy in Kinetic strategy Please also confirm the day and time to deploy your strategy

Dravyaniti Consulting 11 months ago

hello, maximum investment is 40 lacs (i.e. 4 lacs * 10x multiplier). you may deploy the strategy anytime after market hours

Annapurna Finance 1 year ago

why kinetic is not performing good from the last three weeks, and the profit and loss amount in tradetron is also not correct. I dont know how trade tron update profit and loss of the strategy.

Keep Calm.Invest in Kinetic.

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Keep Calm.
Invest in Kinetic.