Kinetic

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created : 2 years ago| | live deployment: 2

created : 2 years ago | live deployment: 2

Kinetic

by: Dravyaniti Consulting

Volatility IVSkew VerticalSpreads Momentum TrendFollowing ShortVol Directional Bullish Bearish Intraday

Strategy description

Keep Calm.
Invest in Kinetic.

(Notes: Due to surge in margin requirements after new peak margin norms and increasing margins for Index Options Trading, the recommended minimum capital is 5 lacs.)

FAQ Summary:

Mix of multiple strategies

Intraday + Positional

100% Mechanical

Options Writing + Options Buying

Variable Position Sizing

Kinetic is built on Weekly Index Options and trades on Bank Nifty weeklies at the moment. The same strategy which we offer to large institutions and proprietary desks are now available for individuals.

Kinetic's Reward to Risk Ratio is greater than 3:1. The system has a 12 month live track record since June 2020, with reward : risk ratio of 5:1. Kinetic was launched on Tradetron in July 2020.

The strategy is a mixture of multiple strategies which are complementary to each other. This increases our chances of success.

Some of the unique features of the system are:

a) In-built Regime switch between Non-Trending and Trending Market. Adapts to current market conditions.

b) Dynamic (Volatility - based) Position Sizing

c) Always hedged positions allow for lesser volatility of returns and lower draw-downs. Intraday positions are also hedged. .

d) Consistent Performer - 90% Months are positive (i.e. 43 out of 48 months in Back-testing period)

e) When Non-Trending Mode is on, 4-legged spread positions will be created. When Trending Mode is on, we will be long call or long put.

f) Apart from generating absolute returns, may be used to hedge existing MF or Equity Investments

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Exchanges

NFO

Capital Required

₹ 400,000

Monthly Fee

Free + 18.00 %

Subscribers

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Sunil Sharma

Ramkrishna

gurjeev ANAND

Nihar

Nisarg Shah

Shrinivas R Kashyap 4 months ago

Works well but no support no telegram group.

Prateek Chadha 7 months ago

Can you please share backtest report of 48 months/ 5 years you are talking about

Dravyaniti Consulting 7 months ago

thanks for your enquiry Prateek, please drop an email to support@dravyaniti.com requesting the same and team will revert to you

Prateek Chadha 6 months ago

I did mail 1 week back, but still have not recieved backtesting report. Mail sent from : prateek09103439cse@gmail.com If possible please send both new backtesting and old backtesting report.

Prasenjit Gupta 10 months ago

i have a question, can it be deployed any day? or some specific time frame is there...presently i deployed in paper trading, want to shift to online, kiindly guide

Akshit Pradhan 1 year ago

My earlier comments were by the Name of my Mother (Poonam Pradhan) as I was using her account earlier. Latest Update: Scaled up to 2X once I started earning Profit. My Last Invoice was for Rs. INR 30,918 (18.00% of 1,45,568). So deployed 1X in two more account. Recently a little draw-down but that is OK. Strategy is not trading from last week - May be due to some Rule/Logic. So Far I am satisfied with the performance.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi Akshit thanks for your kind words and the encouragement. There have been multiple changes happening recently in technology infrastructure and we are upgrading. Currently, we are accounting for the option price range checks being removed by NSE as this can impact Algo performance adversely, if not dealt with, in our opinion. We believe KINETIC should start back as early as coming Monday i.e. August 30,

Raja 1 year ago

Do u have any WA/Telegram group to discuss?. I have some queries and want to clarity before deployment..

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

no we don't have a WA or telegram group Raja. we would be more than happy to resolve your queries / doubts, pls drop a message / call on 77100 12476, and will get back to you

Satya S 1 year ago

There is total mismatch between the results shown here and the actual trading returns. I am not talking about slippages and commissions which varies between brokers. This strategy is in drawdown since april 21 in live trading and it came out of drawdown only in july.21. But the statistics show that it was profitable in June and July except for the month of april 21.. Totally misleading..I am not sure how the returns or calculated here. Don't go by the statistics.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Satya, kindly share details : Broker, Start Date, Multiplier and Trade report and email us at enquiry@dravyaniti.com, we will look into what specifically has caused the mis-match

Satya S 1 year ago

After 4months of trading since april and Rs 40000 loss I stopped trading this strategy. It is over hyped useless strategy which is good on paper that doesn't work on live trading. If you are using zerodha never trade this strategy. Most of the time the far away strike trades fails due to OI limit error. More over there is a total mismatch between the trading result shown here and the actual results. Developer is hard to reach and you will not know what to do when someting goes wrong which happens frequenty. I sent them the details about the mismatch but the reply that i got was not encouraging which is to contact tradetron as sometrades are not initiated by their strategy. Hard to believe that i am getting trades which are not initiated by the strategy.

Anamika 1 year ago

Hello, Writing a long review after using this strategy for two months on paper, and a month on live. 1. This is a beautifully hedged strategy to run positional options selling, overcomes margin issues with hedged buy 2. Works awesome on normal weeks, should be avoided on event weeks ( like elections, fed meetings, reliance agm etc :-) ) 3. Makes awesome adjustments runtime to reduce losses 4. Lesser on slippages compared to other strategies ( But sometimes huge difference in paper profit vs real, I think its inevitable with tradetron ) Few things everyone has been saying but bothered me too, so repeating: 1. Telegram or support group for subscribers with live entry exit messages - Tradetron is very unstable at times thus this is much needed. (I am sometimes getting whatsapp messages of entry exit, sometimes not getting them. Monitoring it the whole day is tough) 2. Avoid event days/weeks completely if possible 3. High difference in paper and live profits at times, ( i think its inevitable with TT) 4. Please code one such strategy for nifty options / Futures as well?

Anamika 1 year ago

#5 For mis straddle orders that are taken on tuesday and wed, is it ok if we avoid the far otm buy on these two days? they kinda cut down profit . hedge is good for keeping overnight.

Anamika 1 year ago

Its really nice to see that kinetic finally resets the counter every week!. Thanks for this fix. this is helpful for tracking

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback Anamika. 1. Thank you for kind words, it always encourages us to hear #KINETIC love is growing 2. During events, typically the volatility of options shoots up. Since this is a risk-defined (always hedged) strategy, the reward:risk are in our favour typically during events. Also, after events, IV usually falls, allowing #KINETIC users to pocket the benefits arising due to theta decay. Also #KINETIC has a dynamic position sizing algorithm which reduces the quantity (hence the risk) as volatility spikes up, and vica-versa. So during back-tests and even live markets, we have survived with limited damages to our PnL. 3. Yes, we are always going in line with where the market is going, and not trying to predict or fight the market. In our years of trading experience, we find this works well for us. 4. Slippage between paper and real returns depends on a multitude of factors - Technology layer at multiple intermediaries, telecom provider's leased lines, etc. So this is a very complex network. Aim of all intermediaries in the ecosystem is provide a better service as we learn and adapt from glitches/bugs and make continuous investments to upgrade our infrastructures. Believe us, there is a lot that is behind the scenes and does not meet the eye- but it's our job to care of that and all players are putting in our best. It is difficult to single out anyone here so to say to "Take the blame", because it is a massive joint effort. We were considering launching the telegram channel but are considering some risks which we hadn't thought of before, so it's on a pause now. We do hope the issues have reduced over the last few weeks, as we are getting feedback from users that now things are stabler. 5. We intend to trade mostly risk-defined option strategies like spreads or long options (where loss cannot be more than premium), so 1 new strategy in banknifty is likely to be launched within July and the other one for nifty / bank nifty is probably due for sept launch. 6. As regards taking off the far otm wings, Never, never, never take off the hedges. You want to have a hedge exactly when it is least likely needed :) i.e. buying life insurance after death defeats the whole purpose of insurance 7. Yes, the counter reset is a big relief to us as well :) once again thanks for this invaluable and detailed feedback

Anamika 1 year ago

Thank you for the reply 1. If not telegram, order broadbasts and exit messages is a must have. Example: Today. when bnf spiked up, my mis orders got squared off but nrml orders did not. No error from Tradetron, no call, nothing in the logs. I checked and compared with the paper trade and saw I had 4 positional sells and one mis buy, whereas Paper had only 1 mis buy of 35400 CE I exited everything and thanked the almighty i was in front of my system, else would have wiped out badly due to a single side runup. It is possible that few people may have observed no profits/drawdowns due to such things on their account?? Please consider at least a broadcast group. Thank you

Intikhab Solkar 1 year ago

Hi, I found all strategies losing money on end of each week , may be because all strategies are weekly basis, can do changes in end of weeks days , so it will no fall in weekly expires, kept it stable trades in week ends. Thank you

Harshal Kukade 1 year ago

can you please share the excel of pnl of kinetic. i dont believe tradetron reports.

Harshal Kukade 1 year ago

Hi strategy creator.. i want to deploy the strategy, but i cant. without looking at past performance i cant enter. if you wish you can share backtest results.. will be greatful to you... thanks.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi Harshal, kindly drop a message on 77100 12476 and we will try to help you with your query

Harshal Kukade 1 year ago

7times pinged.. no reply...

Harshal Kukade 1 year ago

i need backtesting data in excelsheet for kinetic..

Harshal Kukade 1 year ago

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AwC1Z2XaWg-EPnpYFW28xKwnskn4eR1GF9LYJfojThc/edit?usp=sharing nice strategies. needs more capital...

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi harshal, thanks again for your interest. due to excessive surge in enquiries there are delays in our response. we have reverted to you and hope to have you join club KINETIC :)

Ashish Patel 1 year ago

Follow up is needed when questions asked, also post the issue in Feb, there was a suggestion made to open a whatsapp/telegram group, that has not happened. The delay could also be communicated. I am seeing great responses from other teams at tradetron when they use the message option. The rating is purely due to lack of communication. The performance is no loss/no profit for me since Feb, but that is market driven.

Raunaq Bhatia 1 year ago

how to pay the profit share

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

the invoice will be raised through the tradetron app and you may get a request to approve

Pankaj Natani 1 year ago

how do i pay your profit share ?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

the invoice will be raised through the tradetron app and you may get a request to approve

Mohammad Anwar 1 year ago

Hi team, Please let me know the maximum investment we can be deploy in Kinetic strategy Please also confirm the day and time to deploy your strategy

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hello, maximum investment is 40 lacs (i.e. 4 lacs * 10x multiplier). you may deploy the strategy anytime after market hours

Annapurna Finance 1 year ago

why kinetic is not performing good from the last three weeks, and the profit and loss amount in tradetron is also not correct. I dont know how trade tron update profit and loss of the strategy.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi, In past we have seen periods upto 12 weeks approx. where strategy has undergone drawdowns. we are still well within historical drawdowns and we are tracking this. as regards tradetron PnL kindly check with Tradetron support team as to your query regarding PnL and they should be able to help you

Vikram Dudani 1 year ago

Hi I see a lot of Long Calls and Puts are far OTM which in most of the brokers, atleast 2 of them which I use would get rejected quite often, do you think it would be advisable to do without them in case they do not trade (Ofcourse if adequate Margin is available). I used to do Iron Condors but shifted to Strangles because of this and did not find any significant difference. Your views please

Vikram Dudani 1 year ago

Also where can we tlak to you in case of small queries/issues, Any telegram/WA group for it ?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Hi Vikram, some brokers do facilitate this more easily compared to other brokers. however, even with brokers where we have seen issues occur, there is a particular sequence in which if orders are fired, the trade goes through more often than not. worst case, after few minutes, the orders are fired again The real deal for doing Iron Condors is to hedge against "Tail Risk" or "Black Swan" events. What has never happened in markets before can happen, hence we believe it is better to be hedged and approach the markets keeping in view the first goal of protecting principal. You can reach us on 77100 12476

Rohan Soni 1 year ago

Is it possible in any way to deploy around Rs. 2 Lakhs?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

No Rohan, not recommended to run Kinetic below the capital requirement stated, We are working on other product which may be deployed around 2 lakhs, and when it's ready we will launch on Tradetron

Jaideep Bhattacharjee 1 year ago

The 31100CE sell is getting rejected by my broker due to low liquidity. Please advise what should be done. Regards.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

There was a problem at some broker end yesterday, we believe it showed positions were made zero, and that's the best thing to do in such cases

Vivekanand 1 year ago

Typically how many trades this strategy takes in a day? Also like entry trigger, will the strategy give SL trigger or Exit triggers also? Or SL orders are placed by the strategy while placing the entry order?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Vivekanand, thanks for raising these questions. Every sell signal is 4 legged. on average, 8-10 trades a day are taken. SL and exits will be given by strategy in real-time and not while placing the order

Hariprasad Pamuri 1 year ago

Very nice

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Thank you Lokeshwari! Your encouragement means a lot to us

Akshay K 1 year ago

Hi I have a same question, If I deploy it from monday is that okay or it will get partially executed .......and my second query is there any 2 way channel available in case of any major problem? thanks

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi, you can deploy from Monday Akshay. for any queries you can connect with Tradetron helpdesk

bala subra 1 year ago

Hi team , if i subscribe how will my trade execute , will it wait for the new trade to execute or it will execute in the middle of an on going trade statergy .

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi Bala, it will always take a new trade only

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

and since there are no open trades, you can deploy and it will take every trade from now on

Balaji Prabhakaran 1 year ago

I deployed this strategy today.. not seeing any trades yet.. just wanted to check if there is an issue with my deployment OR if the strategy didn't trigger any trades yet. thank you!

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

on Friday's, KINETIC energy gets converted into Potential energy Balaji. It means, we are at rest. From Monday, you may see the energy (Trades) flowing through :)

CK 1 year ago

Hi, I hv subscribed the kinetic strategy for paper trading from 1 week. Looks good on paper but still unable to figure out the actual returns after all expenses like tradetron charges, your profit share, api charges, brokerage ect. If you can give me details would me much appreciated. Also how I can multiple the trades? Let's say with 20L?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi CK. actual returns will definitely reduce than what paper shows, and it will be affected by quality of execution on your broker's end. also it will have some variances based on real-time issues such as connectivity/downtime which can come at any of the part of the ecosystem - exchange/broker/our platform however, clients have net net been growing their wealth meaningfully using this strategy, so we suggest you stay put :) to use a capital of 20L, you may have to choose a 5x multiplier (To base capital of 4 lac)

mukesh marhia 1 year ago

I am watching it since last few days. Found interesting. I want to know about margin requirement of 4lac.Is this margin going to increase further once leverage will be zero or there will be no increase as it is full nrml margin? One more thing i want to know about transactions how many transactions normally taking place per week? This will help me to know about my cost of brokerage.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

thanks for your interest in KINETIC, Mukesh a) Margin requirement is not expected to go up for us as we are not utilising any additional intraday margins b) There may be between 40 to 60 trades in a week

Abhishek Gupta 1 year ago

Hi Team, I just subscribed to this strategy for live deployment and I am wondering how can I see if the setup is deployed correctly. I am asking this because the strategy is live in Tradetron but didn't trigger any trade until now so I am not sure if I need to anything else to make it active. Thanks in advance for your response.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

kindly check with Tradetron helpdesk Abhishek and they will guide you

yadu yadav 1 year ago

hey are you showing profits after taxes, exchange charges or before charges?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

hi, in the equity curve backtest shown, that is after charges in the equity curve generated in Live, it is auto-generated and that is before charges, charges = brokerage + slippages + regulatory costs (exchange) income tax and our software fees are not covered in charges

Sk 1 year ago

For April month live deployment , which date is right for deployment.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Sadhana, if you see historical returns of this strategy, along with the live returns curve, it shows very less instances of drawdown (i.e. losing phases). also apart from one or two phases, the drawdowns are mild. so we suggest you go ahead and deploy it, only thing to keep in mind is that the amount of max drawdown this is shown is something you can afford to risk. then you may tend to stick to the system

Aarohi S 1 year ago

Made my day today... Nice profit this week. Awesome strategy...

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

We are glad to hear this :) thanks for subscribing

subhashis bag 1 year ago

becareful about your hard earned money. do not deploy it live with money. check wihtout money for 1 month , price and time and execution. then deploy. money making is not easy just by selling ATM straddle with hedge , otherwise everybody will earn

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

dear Subhashis, we agree that just by selling ATM straddle with hedge may not be the best way to trade volatility therefore, there are multiple rules that go into our system, including position sizing based on volatility and different risk parameters. we would therefore suggest that you observe in live for a while and see we do understand that you faced hiccups with your initial experience, which is mostly due to exchange/broker end glitch, over which we have no control. we do hope that after satisying yourself over the paper trade results, you may consider deploying the algo again

subhashis bag 1 year ago

sorry to say. i m not satisfied with your clarification. in tradetron u r showung profit but on actual there is loss in 3 weeks(last)

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

in tradetron it auto generates equity curve. and different live accounts may have differences due to how clients manage their overall margin, issues at broker's end, etc.

Vaishali Medankar 1 year ago

Please make a telegram group for all subscribers and post daily profit & loss on that group

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

We are working on this, including some automation, In the interim, we are getting feedback from most users that execution is now smooth

Pravin Rangdal 1 year ago

Can you please share daywise P&L for last 6 months? Any updates of starting of communication channel?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Yes group will be formed by this weekend. Also we will be uploading a Daily PnL statement and share google Drive link

Pravin Rangdal 1 year ago

Thanks for reply. I will wait your reply.

Prem Pai 1 year ago

Tried for a month , didn't work for me! PNL for Feb = 520 ( before expenses), not sure how your results are showing 4k profit It looked promising in the first 10 days and I was about to go 10X! Thankfully I didn't! Tradetron fees = 1000 ZErodha fees = 2000 Brokerage+taxes = plus plus Good bye Tradetron,

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

we are sorry to see you go. unfortunately last week we have seen a technical glitch which impacted lots of systematic traders including us. algorithmic trading systems are not free from risks such as market/technology and our aim is to minimise these risks, and aim to generate return adjusting for these. if you decide to expand your horizon for longer than a month i.e. minimum 9-12 months, maybe this is for you, and you may want to re-look thanks

Prem Pai 1 year ago

Thanks for your prompt response, I have decided to stay for now! :) On a side note, would you be aware of any issues if I use 5paisa broker instead of Zerodha? With 5P I won't have to worry about logging in daily.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

sorry missed this message totally. so in 5P we are seeing users are facing some execution challenges from time to time, you may want to consider the trade-off

Ashoke Kumar Das 1 year ago

Poor client support. So many times i asked for the true/live auto P&L spreadsheet. Others are providing all details to gain trust. This bot may be fantastic but can’t go live due to poor support.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

we have sent details ashoke, can you confirm if received. if not, please msg on 77100 12476 and will revert to you thank you

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

Started Live Deployment from 15-Feb-2020 So far only 9 trading Days and Total Loss around 29K (+ charges) Poor support (rather no support) or advise on the day of NSE Glitch. I posted a Generic Query 3 days back, No reply so far. No Telegram Channel where we can get instructions in case of any issues. When I joined, Live deployments were 91, Now 57. I will still give it one more week.

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

Not able to write comment with Line Breaks so writing as separate comments below:

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

— Started Live Deployment from 15-Feb-2020 . So far only 9 trading Days and Total Loss around 29K (+ charges)

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

— Poor support (rather no support) or advise on the day of NSE Glitch.

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

— I posted a Generic Query 3 days back, No reply so far.

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

— No Telegram Channel where we can get instructions in case of any issues.

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

— When I joined, Live deployments were 91, Now 57. I will still give it one more week.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Dear Poonam We understand that there have been some problems and communication has not reached you, we tried on best effort basis to communicate to go on square off Since the glitch, we have done universal exit and squared off positions, this has been totally unprecedented for us also as algorithmic trading softwares are designed to run during market hours only Due to the large number of queries there have been one on one communication delays, and we totally understand that / apologise for it. We are working on strengthening this by a whatsapp / telegram channel Thanks for trying us out for another week,

Poonam Pradhan 1 year ago

Update: Initial Loss of 29 K already recovered. And I am in Profit now. Will keep reviewing it for atleast one more month with 1x Live Auto. Then will decide, if I should increase Capital.

MANISH WADHWANI 1 year ago

Didnt get message to square off position.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Dear Manish, There were some issues with the broadcast messaging as we are given to understand, we sent out two messages on the day of the glitch, however it seems they did not get transmitted. Due to the number of queries there have been delays in answering the one-on-one queries, thanks for keeping the faith and trust we are working on whatsapp/telegram channel and will revert

Nihar 1 year ago

Where and whom to contact, 77100 12476 SMS are not going through, called but just ringing.. how to get in touch in case of urgency. Thanks.

Nihar 1 year ago

Like many others, it is now high time that you dedicated Telegram channel so that you do not have to rely only on TT broadcasting.

Prasanta Modak 1 year ago

I have seen several strategy in tradetron. Buy yours is best. Can you provide total back test report to my mail id prasantakrmodak16@gmail.com?

Vinay Gouli 1 year ago

I think most of the profit is eaten by Transaction cost. @DravyanyiConsulting - Can you provide the returns details considering the transaction cost?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

if paper trading is showing 2.15 lacs profit here, live may be approx 1.7 lacs after slippages and costs. The actual figures will depend on each one's own broker execution infra as well, but more or less this would be average. You may want to try yourself and see, Vinay.

Hardik Patel 1 year ago

Hello, Is it recommended/required to have an upgraded tradetron account which have continuous condition check?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Hi it is recommended but not mandatory

Utkal Desai 1 year ago

Hi, Zerodha requires daily updating of API key. what broker do you recommend for fully automating the strategy without any requirement of intervention?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

we are broker neutral you may look at any of the others.

FM 1 year ago

I understand that the returns shown on the strategy page are based on paper trading. Could you give an idea about the approx returns so far in a real account. Returns after taxes and charges and profit sharing. I am considering investing, but would like an idea about the real returns over the last few months. I had asked this question a few months back. Didn't get a response. So leaving a low rating assuming that low ratings attract attention. Will be happy to change the rating if I get a response with the required data.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

You did catch our attention ! We missed your message in the past about your request for post cost and slippage returns, kindly drop a message on 77100 12476 with your email id and we will revert to you

prakash 1 year ago

Can you explain the strategy ?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

kindly send a message on 77100 12476 Prakash, we will revert to you.

M R N Rao 1 year ago

I can confidently recommend this strategy to all Newcomers. Just deploy and forget it, It takes care of your returns.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

"Just deploy and forget it" says a lot about your own temperament Mr.Rao. Kudos Cheers Team Dravyaniti

Dishin Shrimanker 1 year ago

I have been using this strategy for 4 weeks now and must say mighty impressed. It has worked beautifully for me and the returns are outstanding - more than what is shown on the TT page (though I understand there will be bad days in the future :P . Additional aspect that I would like to highlight is that despite being a positional strategy, it is fully hedged overnight and the fact that you know your max loss means that you don't lose sleep over it. Kudos to the team and keep it up! :)

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Hey Dishin, many thanks for the kind words - we appreciate the trust you have placed with us and believe Kinetic customers are one large family, so yes, peaceful sleep is something we value more than the money we make. We could ooze out a couple of percentage points more, but we don't think it's worth losing sleep over. So yes, always hedged (risk-defined) is our mantra. We aim to keep enhancing the Kinetic algo so that it keeps us delighted. Cheers- Team Dravyaniti

Ravi Uday 1 year ago

Great Job. This looks interesting. I have pledged liquid bees in Zerodha, how much extra cash in account is required to start with this algo?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Thank you for your kind words Ravi. 20% can be in cash, 80% in margin. if there are still any doubts, please reach out on our support no 77100 12476

Ravi Uday 1 year ago

Sometimes Zerodha will not allow to buy Deep OTM Puts/Calls, is this issue solved with Zerodha? Will this affect kinetic algo?

Swayam 1 year ago

What will be the margin requirement after September 2021?

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

It would not affect us as we are not using any additional intraday leverage

Satheesh Kumar 1 year ago

which is the best broker to deploy .i need choose between zerodha and alice blue

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

we have happy users from both zerodha and alice blue, so you can choose some people refer to as zerodha being more stable

Satheesh Kumar 1 year ago

do i need keep 4 lakh in account . it seems it not used that much i am in 1x only . please let me know

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

when we are trading in options, it is the most leveraged i.e. we are borrowing money. so the idle money has a function, and it is not idle all the time. especially on wednesdays/thursday we may be holding multiple positions so the margin requirements will go higher anyways, we aim to keep the risk lower than 15% capital in most of our systems, hence we suggest to keep 4 lacs of capital ideally. 3.5 lacs would be lowest recommended in 1x

Satheesh Kumar 1 year ago

how to know the what should be my net postions . if there is a error in execution. it should always match thepostions taken kinetic

Symmetrical global 1 year ago

best of the lot, have deployed since 3rd dec. I like it because, less number of trades, hedged positions, an approachable team, now I am selling options like an institution.

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

"..Now I am selling options like an institution" Makes our day and year 2020 Best wishes for 2021, to you Sanjay (Kinetic Family member) -Team Dravyaniti

Nicky Porwal 1 year ago

How can be this strategy will work on my account if I subscribe??

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

The system will auto-fire trades as per pre-defined rules

Nicky Porwal 1 year ago

Does it work with Astha or Edelweiss account and is it auto square off the position or manual as I don't have time to trade manual?

Vivek Gadodia 1 year ago

As one of the developers of Kinetic, I may be biased. This also is perhaps the best thing that has happened to me personally and my clients. It truly empowers small as well as large investors, and creates money making opportunities for everyone who understands that "Calculated Risk hai to Ishq Hai" :)

TJoe 1 year ago

One of the best strategies on Tradetron in my opinion. I have been trading it for a while now and am impressed with the whole process. Looking forward to a long term association with team Dravyaniti :)

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

Many thanks for your kind words Joe. Our mantra is customer first, and we value our association very much

PRADIP GHATE 2 years ago

to Dravyaniti Consulting Hi, some serious talk. I fed up with losses from other strategies. and also errors from their end. I lost alraedy more than 2L. now the point, I feel secured and consistant profit by KINETIC. May I invest 40L ?? Whats your openion.?? I knew, loss also possible, but KINETIC having exellant results, paper trade results also.... so atleast LOSS shall be minimul.. what is your openion,?? As you borned the startegy, you knew well. pl reply. thx

Dravyaniti Consulting 1 year ago

We have full skin in the game, as our partners monies are also invested in Kinetic. We do not expect losses to exceed 8% of capital on a 40 lac account. i.e. 3.2 lacs. However, we don't have same strategy available on tradetron yet with this multiplier. You may contact us on our helpdesk no 77100 12476 and we would be glad to see how we can help you

ASHWANI KUMAR ARORA 2 years ago

Hi, I subscribed to the strategy, the trades are showing eneterd in tradetron but not executed in my brokers account? Please examine and tell me the reason.

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

which broker do you have. can you share the logs please. also next time when such a situation happens, if you notice it during market hours, please let us know immediately so that we can resolve the issue at the earliest

ASHWANI KUMAR ARORA 2 years ago

aliceblue, also other strategies to aliceblue were executing. how to contact you in market hours promptly?

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

we have never had clients on aliceblue yet, and are glad to see you using it. With zerodha, for instance, one challenge is that the deeper OTM options are restricted - due to open interest limits Zerodha is hitting at a firm level. Zerodha is working on this is what we are given to understand. So we have requested all our Zerodha users to move temporarily atleast, since our Algo is not easy to be handled manually everyday by the client or us - to place the deeper OTM orders with manual intervention. We are not sure what the issue with Aliceblue is, and would be great to investigate. Our numbers are there in the profile page - 7710012476. My personal number is 9870104332 (Vivek) and I will help you in whatever way possible, so please do reach out Also, we feel it is unfair for us to get this rating without even getting a fair chance :(

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

if your other strategies were executing, do you suspect it could have been due to any margin issues at your end? is there a way to check why the rejections happened. please do share your number and we will get in touch with you to help you resolve this

MANIVANNAN MURUGANANDAM 2 years ago

Good one

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

Thank you Manivannan, for the kind words :) Nothing motivates more than good words

Nirav 2 years ago

I met Vivek at a workshop and I knew how trustworthy and smart he is. Faced some technical glitches (as I have no coding background) on day 1, and got pleasantly surprised how helpful Vivek was. Looking forward to be a part of Dravyaniti for a long horizon, during which I'm sure the strategy will generate my desired return. This strategy is what algo trading is all about. Systematic, POP in our favor, Risk Defined. Very Helpful team. No-Brainer for me.

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

Nirav, I did not know it's your birthday today. I just did my job. And I am so glad it has worked out well for you. The entire credit goes to my team who is tirelessly and passionately working towards us delivering on our promise- which is - follow the plan, manage the risk, keep the faith and enjoy the ride. Once again, happy birthday, mate. Have a blast !

Nirav 2 years ago

Thanks mate. Appreciate your entire team for releasing and monitoring a very trustworthy algo here :)

Umesh Ranglani 2 years ago

Monitored the strategy closely for the positions it takes in the first week. All banknifty options - 100% hedged overnight, takes extra positions intraday to generate that extra bump in returns. Very active strategy - something which just cannot be executed manually. Generated Rs.16000 on 1x in the first week for me. Time to increase it to the max 4x allowed.

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

Umesh, your commitment towards tradetron and boosting the Algo Trading ecosystem in India is totally totally inspiring. many thanks for the support by trusting us with your strategy - Team Dravyaniti

Umesh Ranglani 2 years ago

Im loving it man ... your enthusiasm, the traction you are getting and Kinetic .. i am very glad about this partnership. Thank you for your appreciation.

Dravyaniti Consulting 2 years ago

has anyone ever heard the sound of "one-hand clapping" :). it takes two to tango. the accolades go out to the technicians, the researchers, the executionists, the guys running the engine. who are never seen, never heard. kudos to them and their spirit :)

Keep Calm.Invest in Kinetic.

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